Saturday, July 15, 2017

Blog Hiatus

Can anyone tell me how to download an entire blog and save it?

Now is the time to copy and paste or save any articles you want. I have to figure out how to copy this whole blog. I am going to leave things open for a time and will still respond to comments and the like for a period of time. You can still email me as well at biblebeliever2@gmail.com.

I think it's best to go on a blogging break now. I am not sure yet if this is the end of the road or if I will come back to write more, but I haven't been posting as much here in months as it is.  As some can tell, in my latest articles, this is a period of examination for me. Sometimes a blogger can run out of things to write about, I certainly wrote about a multitude of topics. Around last year, my writing faded and a couple years earlier then that, I didn't have time or energy for as much research as I used to put into articles. This blog went for seven years and I wrote about a lot of topics. It was a great learning experience. I do hope I was helpful to others spiritually and this blog was a source of support to you.

I've been doing this blog for seven years, that is a long life span for any blog. It has been quite a learning lesson. I never spoke of numbers but this blog peaked out at 75,000 page views per month at one point and has had over 3 million views.



This has been a learning lesson in posting here, and I am glad I got to do for so long. It was great to explore many areas and study the bible with many of you via the blog context. For years I did expose a lot of corruption in Christianity and exposed a lot of false teachings, I hope I was able to help people in doing this. I want to thank all the good people here I had excellent conversations with, and will remember many of you who offered encouragement with fondness. Thank you.


77 comments:

Anonymous said...

BB. I would like to thank you for your years of service to our Lord and his gospel. You truly are a wonderful person. I wish you the best in all you do. God bless you and your husband. I would love to meet you in glory one day.........James

Homeward Bound said...

This makes me so sad. I check every time I'm on the internet to see if you've added a new post. You are so real, a breath of fresh air, and encouragement. There is no one else near me who sees how the churches have been compromised. I do understand your wanting a break from it. I will truly miss your posts and your reader's comments. Thank you for giving what you have. Does it cost much to keep the blog site up?

Heather Noelle said...

Oh heavens...I will miss you so much! I've learned such an incredible amount from you, I will so miss your blog. Thanks so much for all you've done, God bless you. I too look forward to meeting you in glory someday. Much love, sister.
Heather

Debta said...

BB has been our connection as the body of Christ. It can at times feel like a desert land and yet the Lord does make water gush out of a rock. How many believers even reach beyond their local church corporation to see what God is really doing. The depth of relationships usually center around the head self appointed pastors and their following. We are not to follow man, only our true Shepherd. Our faith grows when we truly trust in God's love for us. Unbelief comes from doubting who God is in character. We are not to blame God for man's foolishness or selfishness. When we've been hurt it does take the hand of God to heal our hearts. When we realize He is forever merciful it melts our hearts into humility, desiring to serve and love Him more. BB, God's loving arms are holding.you, He will never let go.

In Christ Alone my hope is found said...

Wow, thanks BB for everything...this was really my only outside support/fellowship other than my own family. I tried to read all your blogs and learned a lot here. Just with anything in life there were ups and downs. Thank you for everything that you've done. You're a genuine person that's not afraid to speak on the harder things in life. You were hear for me whether or not you know it while I went through many phases of my life from Assembly of Gods church to IFB to christian without a church building now. I pray that the Lord blesses you and provides everything you need spiritually and physically according to His will. Please keep me in your prayers and I will you. This was a big part of my life looking forward to your blogs each day and when I saw a new one I couldn't wait to read. I know you are going through trying times so all I can do is pray and leave you with a verse that has helped me:

2 Corinthians 4:8-12King James Version (KJV)

8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Douglas Andrew Willinger said...

Many thanks and God Bless for your years of work.

Fine to take a hiatus.

But why take it down? Keeping it up is no charge.

Debra said...

I have a question for everyone. Why do you think we are not experiencing the type of fellowship as in breaking bread with one another, singing songs to worship the Lord and praying together on a consistent basis? What has changed? We still are the body of Christ so why has the opportunity to gather as one bride been so difficult or non-existent? Hoping BB will post this.

Heather Noelle said...

Good question Debra. I have been wondering this as well. I was just thinking how much I'm going to miss the fellowship from this blog. I also hope you keep the blog up, BB, if there is no fee. I will likely still be here daily reading as there is much I've missed.
Heather

Grammy G said...

Debra-You pose a very good question. The Bread of Life has to be at the center of our life and The Word must be preached, for souls to be saved. Our opinions, expository reflections, or feelings only serve to divide the body of Christ. He is coming for one, United body/bride. One Groom, one bride and will not engage in spiritual adultery. Matters not your doctrine, denomination or opinions. Like the church of Ephesus in Rev. 2, matters not your good works, if Christ isn't lifted up and The Bread of Life your first love, He will remove the light from the midst of the church. Except we repent for our divisive ways and do those works as little children we first did when we believed, we shall not receive the Tree of Life. He said it! CHRIST speaks much about little children coming for a good reason: There are those IN THE CHURCH which have "a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with ains, led away with diverse lusts. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of The Truth." 2 Timothy 3:7. We need to turn around (repent) and allow ourselves to go back to The Word, to be humbled by The Truth and be children/teachable. We will have wolves in our midst, but the only way to know a lie is to know THE TRUTH! The only way we will be united is to be focused on Jesus Christ and not focused on the world (except as the Spirit leads) and let Him be the reason we come together and AGREE on His Word. Isn't that what "Amen" means? Sadly, Atheists, LGBT, etc. Can be viewed as more of a unified group of believers in their cause than Christians as a whole because they stay focused on their cause. We tend to make Christianity so much more than the plain and simple message of Salvation through belief Christ. Thereby dividing the body.

Anonymous said...

Debra, a remnant who are faithful and obedient may yet get gathered together in safety, when things get bad around here.

A powerful testimony about how God gathered and protected His remnant in the last century:

A CALL TO THE CHURCHES IN AMERICA **

http://www.restoringthevision.com/Russia.doc.htm

"If you believe the coming of the Lord is close, if you believe the coming of the Lord is at hand, then this is the message: Church of God, let's learn to pray, let's learn to cry to Him day and night. Then the Lord will empower his people with the power of the Holy Ghost like in the days of the Apostles. He will get the Church ready."

** actually this message applies to many places in the world today rather than mainly the US -- maybe more so now than when this was written over 20 years ago

Debra said...

Really like this website that was shared on this blog. We don't have to feel guilty about cutting off the wicked from our lives when we realize that they were sent from satan himself. These evil souls will do his bidding anytime he commands as they are ponds in his hands. Did God tell Joshua to have a discussion with their enemies who were ready to kill the Israelites? No, he told them to wipe them out. Now we can wipe them out of our lives and minds, to keep the wall up around our hearts without any breach. This is not bitterness, it is wisdom to know who is our enemy and not let them in.
http://www.luke173ministries.org

Debra said...

What happens when we injure ourselves such as a sprained leg, broken ankle, pulled muscle, bruised hand? It all needs to heal. If we wear a cast and never take it off atrophy can set in. In the church system it is called apathy. We wonder why the body of Christ is not functioning as God intended. The gifts of God's Holy Spirit have become dormant due to controlled opposition. Rather than operating with our gifts, the controllers have silenced, bridled, tied up, hand cuffed the ability for God's sheep to move in their spiritual gifts. I don't want to put full blame on these false shepherds because the sheep have participated in their own apathy. They cannot see that God's people are not just in buildings made of sand but are living for His glory outside those four walls. The sheep are content to have a Luciferian pastor as their authority and life-line to God. Why can't they see the wolves? Their eyes of discernment are not functioning; they don't even test the spirits. Who would even dare lift their voice to the apostate preachers and leaders? Tongues are sealed and eyes closed to the wicked shepherds. Truth is not the highest measure, but rather a fun, social gathering where ranks are in place. They can call it church but it has no resemblance to the church Jesus is building. He is our cornerstone, not a name created by a sign company with logo engraved, planted on property owned by the pastor and others who are making mint off the sheep. Jesus went about His Father's business not the business of a money making temple. He destroyed that temple with his whip. So we wonder why there is no fellowship. The sheep have been told that fellowship can only happen with those under the guise of their roof. It is all controlled and God's true brides are not allowed to operate on their own accord. God's children have now become loyal to man's system rather than God Himself. I believe this is why it is rare to find true fellowship. It reminds me so much of those who wish to leave a false denomination but have such guilt upon their heads as if they betrayed God in the midst of leaving. How many truly want to be taught by God’s Holy Spirit? Is it not easier to plop in a comfy chair and listen to a man on a stage? Where do we find our value and worth? Is it among the ranks of teachers who have joined Babylon or is it in Christ alone? I’m still going to ask God where are the believers who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They are those who allow God’s Holy Spirit to teach them all things and do not listen to the voice of another.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, BB for allowing God to use you through this blog. It was through your blog that my eyes were opened about a number of topics. Does anyone know if it would be possible to continue the fellowship on here through a forum? I'm assuming it would need to have a moderator and someone knowledgeable on how to set it up.

The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall NOT want... said...

Wishing you all the best!

Anonymous said...

Grammy G said

"Matters not your doctrine, denomination or opinions."

I see this as an unbiblical statement Grammy G. Doctrine is absolutely essential. The Word has to be rightly divided, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. Apostasy is a falling away from the truth. That is what is seen today predominantly in America and megachurches around the world. They are following another Jesus. If there were some real Bible believing Christians, I would fellowship with them, like in the book of Acts, but if people say they 'believe', but live contrary to what is written, then we are to bring reproof, and if they don't self correct, then we separate. The Word of God is the plumbline and it often divides people, because people don't want to follow correct doctrine. Yes there is to be unity, but that is to be with TRUE followers, and we can know them by their fruit. We are in a time of the'great falling away' as predicted in 2 Thessalonians. That doesn't mean that we won't be gathered together into the wilderness later when things get really bad, but I'm not seeing it here in America, not yet. I think that the internet has connected many 'true followers' of Jesus Christ, but not in 'real physical' locations. We also see believers gathering underground in persecuted countries. Things will change, and when persecution increases here in America, there will be a wider divide, people will have to exit the system, and I do think that the Lord will protect some in the wilderness, like the Bible says. Until that time, while it is not comfortable to not be able to fellowship with other real Christians, it would behoove us to draw as close to the Lord as possible in this time and prepare for what is to come. Doctrine has to be upheld. Your statement sounded like ecumenicalism.

Debra said...

Restoring the Vision article that anon posted is about God bringing a group of Christians out of Russia after a revival had come. God spoke to them after fervent prayer day by day to go to a village they never heard of nor been to. They proclaimed the Gospel and the villages had revival. Then God was calling them out of Russia before the Communist takeover of land and possessions, sending the men to Siberia to be killed in war. There was no map, only the Lord guiding them to China as that was the land He was to bring them into.The man writing the testimony was born in China and it was his mother that gave testimony to the miracles God did.There is so much more to this story and have not read all of it. But it fits into the reasons why the body of Christ does not join in prayer and worship of the Lord as the first believers. They are too busy with religious programs instituted by men keeping them occupied from the Lord.

Anonymous said...

BB,
Hopefully you will be able to save entire blog or find a way to leave it up. I have had my eyes opened through this blog, and read it several times weekly as I am not finished with the whole seven years! God Bless you and your husband, I will continue to pray for you. Thank you for being obedient to the Lord and I hope this will be a time of refreshing for you.

Debra said...

I used to have a website called Zakiah.net where I shared what I was learning from the Lord. But my computer crashed and there went my writings. My husband is going to try and set up a blog but need to pick the choices they give for a web-style. Wish I could draw up my own. If the Lord wants this to go through then He will have to make it happen. It's been wonderful having BB's blog since there is none like it with topics most would not even go near. We still need the fellowship even if it means on line. It is all in the Lord's hands and I trust that He will lead us to know His will.If the blog is set up I will post the link if BB gives permission to post it on her blog. I pray BB will always be filled with the love of the Lord, to know His mercy and compassion, His goodness and gentle Spirit.

Heather Noelle said...

What would people think about a Facebook page or group for readers of this blog? Something I've thought of the past couple days.

Thanks Debra for posting that website about NPD families. It's very helpful. If you are able to set up another blog, please keep us posted.

Heather

Heather Noelle said...

What would people think about a Facebook page or group for readers of this blog? Something I've thought of the past couple days.

Thanks Debra for posting that website about NPD families. It's very helpful. If you are able to set up another blog, please keep us posted.

Heather

Grammy G said...

Anon-I apologize for the misunderstanding. When I said "Doctrine" I intended it to read man-made doctrines as we're all the other items I mentioned. Man getting his hands in the mix as if God's Word rightly divided was not enough. Hope this clarifies!

Anonymous said...

Oh man, I had a gnawing feeling that this day would come. I for one have never formed a strong part with the community of commenters here but do visit the blog daily, sometimes I even read some of the older material again. BB, I do hope that you do not close this page down it would feel like such a lose, you have been so honest and open that it is hard to feel like one is not loosing a friend. I do hope that your hiatus is indeed time away but not indefinite. Thank you for all you have done, for all the eyes that you have helped open, for all the times your information helped to corroborate what someone else may have concluded through their own research. You will be missed. -Terry-

Anonymous said...

Did you find an answer re downloading your blog? This Google answer might help re how to "Download My Data":
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3024190

Another google-support page said:

"Is it possible to download my entire blog (all posts) and save to an external hard drive?" - Blogger Help:
https://support.google.com/blogger/forum/AAAAY7oIW-wbDqQ3E523mo/?hl=en
[...]
When you back up your blog, you get an .xml file of the posts and comments:
--Sign in to Blogger.
--Select the blog to back up.
--In the left menu, click Settings > Other.
--In the "Import & back up" section, click Back up Content > Save to your computer.
--To save a copy of your blog's template, go to the left menu, select Template and click Backup/restore.
[...]

Debra said...

My husband will work on the web blog today. But wanted to share this thought. As we stand as believers and we are faced with opposition, false or phony believers, imposters, abusers and those who have the god of this world as their true father... we must remember God's Holy Spirit is greater in us than they that are in the world. We don't stand prideful in that just an acknowledgment of who we are and who we belong to. Our flesh may say these are against me but God says no they are against me and I will contend with them. Imagine a parent who comes out to defend their child from bullies. I never really experienced having a good father so it was difficult to understand for years after becoming a believer. Then when I finally knew how much God loved me I knew His righteous indignation against those who would hurt me was always present. Our strength is in the Lord and knowing that we can rise up and not shrink back to our enemies. I think of Nehemiah when his enemies were persuading him to talk, Nehemiah shunned them. Nehemiah 6:2-3 2 That Sanballat and Geshem sent unto me, saying, Come, let us meet together in some one of the villages in the plain of Ono. But they thought to do me mischief.3 And I sent messengers unto them, saying, I am doing a great work, so that I cannot come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave it, and come down to you?
We need to not be drawn in by abusers. They want to stop the work God is doing in our lives. Nehemiah had a strong confidence in God. His faith caused him to build the wall for Jerusalem. I believe there are many Nehemiah's right here on this blog. God will call each of us to accomplish whatever work He sets for us to do. Prayer is a great work and the most important of all.

Debra said...

I like this intro on http://housechurch.com/ according to what the church of Jesus Christ should look like.

Anonymous said...

"What would people think about a Facebook page or group for readers of this blog?"

With all division on this blog, I'll pass on that one.

Debra said...

I'm hoping I can have a webpage up by the end of this week. We are all learning from God's Holy Spirit and it is an exciting time as we are needing to really walk by faith. This is what God intended for us all along. I love how He cares for us as our Father. He knows when we are ready to walk and not crawl, He knows when there is danger ahead and warns us, He takes us by the hand and lets us walk knowing that He is carefully watching our steps so we don't fall. Jesus called his disciples children then cooked breakfast for them. When we find ourselves struggling with something as the disciples did trying to catch fish all night, we have to remember God sees our struggles. He is not distant nor indifferent. He wants to reveal His character to us through these times and we may be surprised as His disciples were when they received above and beyond their expectations. Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us

John 21 After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.2 There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.

Anonymous said...

Grammy G,

Yes, that does clarify things. Thank you for the apology and explaining. It shows your humility- fruit of the Spirit. May God bless you and keep you and continue to shine His light through you.

Debra said...

If any others want to set up a blog then we can have more than one place to fellowship. Each person has their gifts God has given to them and that is what the body of Christ is all about. One may function more like a watchman, others a merciful place or refuge. We all can use discernment when reading any material presented.

Once the blog is online I want to post on this subject of Russia's new law.
Was reading on Huffington post (just for reference not approval): Russia passed a bill in 2016 called Named “Yarovaya law” after its author, United Russia member Irina Yarovaya, the package of amendments allegedly aims to crack down on potential terror activity and extremism. From Christianity today: Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church Update (July 8): This week, Russian president Vladimir Putin approved a package of anti-terrorism laws that usher in tighter restrictions on missionary activity and evangelism.

Despite prayers and protests from religious leaders and human rights advocates, the Kremlin announced Putin’s approval yesterday. The amendments, including laws against sharing faith in homes, online, or anywhere but recognized church buildings, go into effect July 20.

teshuvahmusic said...

Anon (Terry), same here. I've rarely participated in comments, but have been following the blog for years and it has been a real source of strength and insight for me as I developed my own discernment. So many "discernment" sites out there are run by fakers or people with an agenda. Not BB.

Debra said, "This is not bitterness, it is wisdom to know who is our enemy and not let them in." AMEN!!! Detaching from the evil ones in our midst (families, fellowships, workplace) who would try to suck the life out of us is a part of discernment that's overlooked!

teshuvahmusic said...

BB, I got your email and will try to respond this week as able.

The marvelous thing about your journey, to me, is that whereas many people exit fundamentalism into atheism, agnosticism, a cult, or another false denomination, you have already been down those roads and seen where they lead. So the only place left for you to run is further into the arms of our Savior and Abba Himself. I think He has so much ahead for you, relief, freedom, blessing.

I concur with whoever suggested having a forum for fellowship. But, not sure how/where that could be set up. Having a moderator would be really important.

teshuvahmusic said...

BB, I got your email and will try to respond this week as able.

The marvelous thing about your journey, to me, is that whereas many people exit fundamentalism into atheism, agnosticism, a cult, or another false denomination, you have already been down those roads and seen where they lead. So the only place left for you to run is further into the arms of our Savior and Abba Himself. I think He has so much ahead for you, relief, freedom, blessing.

I concur with whoever suggested having a forum for fellowship. But, not sure how/where that could be set up. Having a moderator would be really important.

Debra said...

Finally got the website together. Will continue to post more. Feel free to leave your comments. http://The-free-ecclesia.com

Anonymous said...

Stephan from Germany

Have a good hiatus! Rest well! Listen to God!

Hab eine gute Pause! Ruh dich gut aus! Hör auf Gott!

cu

teshuvahmusic said...

Debra, I just visited your ecclesia blog. Really appreciated your post (7/21) about the sheep and shepherd. Haven't had time to read more.

My blog is still online (https://teshuvahmusic.wordpress.com/, also linked in my comment url), but I haven't updated it in a few years. I like your idea of having several blogs where folks can visit for different kinds of fellowship or insight as needed.

A disclaimer, some of my views are a bit different from most of y'all who visit here at BB's site. I won't go into that here, though. I think we are all on the same page about key discernment issues and about coming out of the world and the harlot church(es). That should be enough to start.

Debra said...

I'm posting more updates as the Lord leads. We are meant to operate as a whole body. I love how God's Holy Spirit works. He knew many would be boasting about being the head and not the toe. HE dispersed gifts as needed. Why allow us to be robbed of fellowship that God intends for us. We all don't live near each other so why not communicate by "letter" as Paul did many times. It would be nice to be in person but sometimes that is not possible and yet I believe all things are possible with God. His Holy Spirit can teach us all things and this means for every believer. Hallelujah!

Linda said...

Thank you for your devotion for so many years.

Linda said...

China Just Changed Persecution Forever

October 16, 2015 By Alesia Cengia

China Changed Persecution

The persecution against Christians in China has just changed levels in a way that no one saw coming. According to a translated document obtained by BTJ, China is about to roll out one of the biggest plans of social control over Christians ever assembled.
(https://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/planning-outline-for-the-construction-of-a-social-credit-system-2014-2020/)

China’s Communist government has been secretly working on a plan to assign everyone in the country “citizenship scores.” They have just announced the details and are rolling it out soon. According to the ACLU in the United States, “China appears to be leveraging all the tools of the information age – electronic purchasing data, social networks, algorithmic sorting – to construct the ultimate tool of social control.”

In this new system, everyone is measured by a score ranging from 350 to 950, and that score is linked to a national ID card. In addition to measuring your financial credit, the score will also measure your political compliance. Expressing your faith in Jesus Christ for instance, or merely having friends who are Christians, will hurt your score and make it lower. The lower your score, the fewer privileges you will be given by the government.

All of the scores would be made public. This would allow people to see if any of their friends have a low social score that is bringing their score down. If so, then they could simply disassociate with them to improve their score. The social benefit of having a higher score would allow a citizen to easily access jobs, travel documents, bank loans, business license, etc. The punishment for having a friend with a low score, like those who believe in Jesus, would be numerous.

The Chinese government has employed the help of Chinese tech giant Alibaba and Tencent to administer the new program. These two companies run the majority of China’s social networks, Internet access, and on-line business commerce. [Continue Reading]

Linda said...

Thank you for your dedication for so long. It must have been a tremendous amount of work, I have been downloading pages for a few years and studying the remarkable amount of deception that the Lord Jesus warned us about in the Olivet Discourse.

C.S. Lewis almost lost his faith after his wife of 3 years died of cancer and wrote A Grief Observed which might be helpful during your time of self-examination.

Linda said...

C.S. Lewis also wrote a trilogy warning of the totalitarion global government we have been learning about in 1942 before Orwell wrote 1984, Orwell worked for the OSS in cryptology so knew what was planned and Lewis working as an instructor at Cambridge and Oxford knew people in the secret societies there.

He wrote a bit about the abuse of children in the first Out of the Silent Planet and the last chapter was about getting people used to the villian Jack warden, I think his name was who espoused racism and the outlines of globalism. In the 2nd, Perendela, this character has a spiritual experience and becomes something like Yeats whom Lewis admired as a writer but was discusted by Yeats spiritualism.

In the last book, That Hideous Strength, Lewis goes into more detail about the secret societies and how it is impossible to quit and the Cecil Rhodes type of agenda.

Please give C.S. Lewis apologetics another chance, I have read that the movie version of The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe changed his meaning. I did not like the Narnia Chronicles but don't judge by the movie version. Lewis in this series was trying to use a popular format for children to lead them to Christian ideas, though the passion scene was as you have said not very successful, in some of the quotes from other Narnia books he seems to have been more successful.

I wish you well and will continue to pray for your and again thank you for the detailed information about how the churches have been taken over. I have been reading about deep politics since 2004 but knew very little about the things you have researched.

God bless you and your husband.

Anonymous said...

Please do not take your posts down. I mean, why would you? Some of us are lacking in fellowship, and when we read that other Christians experience the same things and see what we see about the churches and American Christendom, it is fellowship of a kind just to read them, even if we don't agree with 100% of what we read. And why would we? And as far as copying everything we want to keep, some of us do not have the resources or time that it would take to copy an psdteeverythung we'd like to be able to read. I am always maxing out my tablet, the trying to uploaded ought that I'll have a little room left. So why not keep your blog online, and just take a temporary or permanent break from posting?

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who keeps checking to see if BB has posted something more? LOL!

Linda, here's an interesting article by a Christian researcher about C.S. Lewis (and Tolkien) whom he refers to as, "C.S. Lewis: Chronicles of an Ecumenical Writer in the Service of Rome". http://johnnycirucci.com/tolkien-lewis/

Grammy G said...

Sounds like FICO scoring system we have now.

teshuvahmusic said...

Anon 11:32 pm, you're not the only one! Lol.

Good find on the CS Lewis article. It's been a long time since I looked in to CSL, but I believe he was a closet Catholic and much more. And to become a big hit in apologetics circles as he did, he was probably in the service of Jesuits even if he was not one himself (?)...

CSL was part of an intellectual discussion group called The Inklings, which didn't shy away from esoteric topics. His close friend in the group was theosophist Owen Barfield, whom he called the "wisest and best" of his teachers and to whom he dedicated a book. Why was a supposed Christian engaging in intellectual hobnobbery with occultists and being mentored by them?

https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/tolkien-lewis.htm covers the friendship of CSL and Barfield. Link for informational purposes; I don't recommend Berit Kjos or crossroad.to except with caution.

Anonymous said...

I believe that with a little investigation you will find that Lewis died a Taoist. That, in itself, speaks volumes. A man can be an intellectual giant - and be tragically misguided spiritually. Did Lewis' powers of imagination and intellect do him in? Quite possibly.


teshuvahmusic said...

Linda, I read Perelandra (#2 in CSL's space trilogy) as a college freshman -- my first time reading any of his books. At the time I found it full of fascinating insights about human moral choices, the triumph of good over evil, etc. Now I see things a bit differently. The college I attended has a vested interest in promoting a certain kind of worldview that aligns well with RCC hegemony and the return to the "mother church." Many students become Catholic as a result of attending there! The stated goal is to "renew the culture" through political and social engagement using conservative "first principles" as articulated by the Founders. (If you've studied dominionism at all, the idea of building or rebuilding a "Christian culture" should sound familiar. BB has before cited some of FanaticforJesus's articles on dominionists' links to the RCC thru the Knights of Malta and so on. With your study of deep politics, this should be of interest to you.) Since it's a nonsectarian school, it can't use theological apologetics; so instead, the avenue is literature and philosophy classes and required political/cultural seminars. Perelandra was mandatory reading for all freshmen prior to the start of classes. The discussion sessions focused on the moral responsibility aspects of the main character's journey. This made sense, even at the time, since "self-government" is core to what the college wants to instill in students (admittedly a far better option than the self-actualization mush that passes for most of higher education). What I didn't see at the time is that these noble ideals are still part of the world system. The idea of becoming noble, virtuous human beings (borrowed from classical Greco-Roman thought and painted with a Christian veneer) who can be a "light" and change the culture for good thru politics, media, arts, social action, etc., is actually an anchor point (common goal, common values) for bringing all Christians together under the umbrella of Rome. The RCC deception is about so much more than a "false gospel" as one-horse fundamentalists assume. It is about CONTROL. Even the RCC is a front for something bigger. If you read alertly, you can pick up these same themes in CSL's work. "Mere Christianity" is an apologetic for lowest-common-denominator generic faith in a higher power. Al-Anon would love it. He sets it up such that what really matters is following a generic right way of "behaving," common across all cultures, which he calls the Tao (choice of word??), and "believing" in Jesus follows as an afterthought. I don't remember sin or the blood atonement being mentioned in his book once.

Debra said...

Regarding the social scores of China that would be so stupid on their part. Do you know how many Doctor's and Surgeons that are believers, I'm sure there are quite a few and I know one. So they give them all low social scores and they don't work at hospitals anymore. That's like shooting yourself in the foot. Well, you say we can replace them. Really, the expert brain surgeon who has been working at a hospital for 20 years is now going to be fired. Then you have a well known heart Doctor that travels among hospitals but he too is going to get fired. What a system. Everyone is going to get fired even though they are considered the most valuable and leading experts in skill and talent. They should fire the guy that came up with this dumb plan. How about emergency care workers, fire departments, police, medical staff, lawyers, defense, high tech, pharma, banking, etc. They are all going to get fired or laid off due to a racists and prejudice score. Their economy is going to come crashing down without the level of experts in pertinent fields that apply to their economy structure. I hope they repeal this plan as it is beyond common sense.

Linda said...

THANK YOU FOR THE WEBSITE AND COMMENTS ON LEWIS.

I liked his apologetics better than his fiction and he did mention sin and the blood atonement.

Do you know of any good articles on the Book of Revelation's instruction that we overcome through the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony, it is hard to prepare for the persecution that is coming. Corrie ten Boom warned against the pretr ib and said the head of the church in China said that "we should have been preparing people for persecution instead of encouraging people to believe in the rapture."

Linda said...

I have been praying for Dreamzzz who commented a few blog entrie ago that she and her husband and two young daughters had moved to anothers country and her husband had not been able to find a job.

I have been looking more into prayer sites and prayer lists, how do you pray for so many needs? Years ago people would read lists of the names of the people in the military who had died in Iraq, then it was about 3,000 service members and it took about a day and a half reading the names slowly and reverently.

I ask every day for the Holy Spirit to be in me and to help me to pray as I ought for the world especially Christians during these days, which do seem to be the end times and the prayer Jesus instructed to pray always in the Olivet Discourse "That you may be worthy to escape all the things coming on the world and to stand before the Son of Man.

teshuvahmusic said...

Linda, thanks for correcting my memory on that point. It's been at least ten years since I read MC. Good those are at least mentioned. I found MC to be... underwhelming (spiritually), and would not read it again. I read it because it was supposed to be some great classic of Christian apologetics, and personally I got nothing out of it. Since then I've concluded the "apologetics" field is really an RCC construct to get people into "unity" over intellectual points and distract from relationship with the true Creator. But I guess that is JMO. I do believe all that was stated about CSL and so I could never recommend him.

I don't know good articles, but I know Revelation is one of my favorite books. As far as the NT goes, I really like the ones by John, James, and Peter over those written by Paul. I feel I can relate to them better and they offer more food for times of tribulation.

Totally agree with the Corrie ten Boom quote. Most have no clue how hard things are going to get, and soon. I am angry at myself for the days I don't feel grieved over this. Feel like I should be praying 24/7 for mercy for the clueless and for strength to endure. As you said, there are so many needs....

AW said...

Linda, I'm wondering where you came across the information that George Orwell worked for the OSS? Because my understanding of George Orwell, or Eric Arthur Blair, was that he was a rather committed Socialist (British police intelligence actually kept a dossier on him for decades). He even went to Spain to fight on behalf of the Republic against the Francoist Fascists.

Orwell was very conscious of the oppression and exploitation of the poor and the underclass, and nearly all of his writings convey this clearly. He was also quite astute, writing Animal Farm as a commentary regarding the betrayal of the ideals of the Russian Revolution by Stalin and his compatriots (ie., the pigs become as or more totalitarian than the farmer). His 1984 is no less astute, but was not (as far as I'm aware) written with any sort of 'inside knoweledge.'

Biblebeliever, I hesitate to recommend any other sources other than scripture as you wrestle with your many questions, but Orwell's writings deal with many of them (albeit from the perspective of an unbeliever). It may have even been in the comments sections of this blog that I first came across a reference and link to his essay on his time in school (Such, Such Were the Joys, from the 'essay' section in the link above). Perhaps as the Lord leads.

Anonymous said...

Linda, pray for the lost in your circle of influence and acquaintance. That should be the focus of all believers. One never knows how many days we have left to share the true and uncompromised Gospel. We need boldness and discernment. Pray for discernment in the believers' lives you know and those who come to mind. Pray for pastors and those who are staying true to the Word of God as they are few and far between. It is a hard road for any Christian or Christian leader who stands firm in this day of apostasy. Walk the narrow path and exhort others to do the same. That in my thinking should be the focus of our prayers in this time when so many have gone astray.

Discernment blogs are becoming a thing of the past and I hope that BB finds peace in her life.

Heather Noelle said...

Hi BB, I emailed a week or so ago with a question...wasn't sure if you got it or not. Take care! Hope things are going well for you.
Heather

Anonymous said...

Dear friends,

I have been one of the silent ones in the background praying.
I just wanted to share some of the other ODM sites I know of that are still going, along with some notes.

Lighthouse Trails has some good information about the takeover within the church, their site has all sorts of tabs to look into for that. As was mentioned earlier, with LT as well as Roger Oakland, there have been some issues. One of them has been the increasing focus on Zionism and all things "Israel." They seem to not get the whole replacement thing and the Biblical view on these issues, anyone who is not a gung-ho zionist is called anti-semetic, etc. There is also a sense of image polishing for Calvary and Chuck Smith. On another note, there is a FB page with a commentary section.

Truthkeepers; someone mentioned this one and in many ways it is good, there is a section for comments, yet some of the same issues as above as well.

Emergent Watch; lots of good posts on current church apostasy, concerts, conferences, things like 'together 2016' exposed and stuff like that, and a comment section.

The Last Hiker; has not posted in a while but lots of good info. on her site that no one else has covered on many other sites. Good comment section too.

Rather Expose Them; this one has a mix of topics and a long index of blogs and stuff at the side. There are some things I definitely don't agree with him on, but there are some real newsworthy items as well so you have to pick out the cherries.

Herescope; seems to be good, not too many posts, very scholarly, etc.

Another Voice; it's listed on this blog at the top left as well, some good updates on freedom of information, censorship, that sort of thing, but he gets a bit cryptic on numerology and such. There is also a comment section.

Discerning the World; also a mixed bag but some goodies in the bag you can dig for, and comments.

Soul Refuge; good resource on catholicism, hebrew roots, zionism, etc., haven't seen everything there so I can't vouch for every statement made.

New Jerusalem Chronicle; this site links to it at the top left, wolves in sheep's clothing is a real eye opener (no pun intended), Fanatic for Jesus is similar, both good for the most part, archived with no new updates but a storehouse of info.

Get all the downloads of information that are still out there while you can, some of these blogs have been disappearing over time. It's not an endorsement and you must exercise discernment of course as always.

At least we have online fellowship communities for now!

I don't want to get into a hornet's nest of bickering over one or more of these sites, or other things so I will leave it at this, just wanted to share the information for those interested.

Another option is to set up an evangelism table and a sign up sheet for a discernment aware home church as well, at least it is a way to warn Christians also. You never know what you will catch until you go fish. I did it and got good results.

Lastly, there has been a big eruption over at LT and Truthkeepers over a claim made about something and it truly looks like they fumbled. There was this article about a "Resolution 3" and all this assumption that they were anti-Israel over at AOG, were going to vote 'against Israel,' and all this stuff and the head of aog replied and they tried to defend their statement, but honestly, I could not find one statement that indicated they were against Israel in the whole document, there was not even a reference to Israel! So they tried to grasp at straws and build a case from there. Whether or not aog is anti Israel or not is another matter, they hadn't even voted yet and the claim was made they would vote against Israel and the document they claimed was anti Israel and linked to did not even mention Israel so it has been a big explosion back and forth on that, just fyi.

In Christ's Love,
anonymous # 103

Bible Believer said...

Heather I found your letter, I will be responding soon.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for the list anon #103 I know I wearied of the extreme Christian Zionism and gate keeping on so many websites. Just remember they want to steer Christians in certain directions and have done so quite well. A lot is "owned"out there. I guess that is the best way I can say it.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks everyone for your kind words and words of encouragement. I appreciate it a lot.

Bible Believer said...

Heather I wrote you...Sorry I took so long.Debra I want to respond to your emails latertoo.

Anonymous said...

BB Good to see you respond, hope all is well. -Terry-

Heather Noelle said...

Thanks BB! Got it! Will be responding soon. Take care!

Soldier of Jah said...

There is so much confusion in the world of Christendom. Best thing to do is keep it simple. Too many people allow denominations to define Christianity and the result is a skewed view of Jehovah's character. Romans 8 is a passage I recommend all to read. If people only knew how God and His only begotten Son value them and that once you are born again, you become part of God's family. Jehoshua said that no one can pluck us out of His or His Father's hands. Once you realize that the Father and His Son look at you as royalty (we are made unto God and the Father, kings and priests) then you will never let the Pharisees in the denominational world steal your joy.

It is key that we focus on the goodness of our heavenly Father and His only begotten Son while at the same time warning of deception. When we get too caught up in exposing the evils of the world we can lose balance. The Messiah living in us is the hope of glory, let us immerse ourselves in the manna from heaven which is the living Word of God (Jehoshua).

Anonymous said...

Anon # 103:
Thank you for your list. This is one area one has to be most careful. Doctrine is very important. I always investigate as much as possible the doctrinal beliefs of the site. Some promote Calvinism which is a false gospel. DTW has some good information but they are ultra-dispensational in that they do not think that believer's baptism should be practiced in the church today. Many of these sites lose credibility as one digs deeper and finds out they are not in line with basic doctrinal truth. That does not mean you discount them entirely, but just be very careful. I have found some very good and useful information on Calvinist ODM sites when it pertains to the reporting of facts and not doctrinal discourse.

Doing an ODM is very stressful and demanding and can make one the object of hatred and result in burnout. Always season your comments with grace is a good rule to follow. Some blog writers get really defensive but that is their problem. We can disagree but should do it respectfully.

Anonymous said...

I wanted post on spiritual changes but for some reason the server wouldn't do it so I'm posting here regarding faith/works. It all points to one thing. If you are truly born again then it is not a matter of falling from grace because you would never leave the fold. The word says that if they went out from us, they were really not of us. As true believers we will manifest God's presence through His Holy Spirit. In this we will do what Jesus would do. It is the outcome of our salvation, to be like Christ. And when we are not, God's Holy Spirit will tell us. I John 3:9 says...No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. So works is not a striving because the Lord said we are to rest in His finish work on the cross. The works in the book of James is simply saying if you are truly born again you will manifest the works Jesus would do but only through His Spirit and not our flesh. There are many religious people who do not know Jesus and are trying to obtain salvation through works. We also have to realize that believers can be struggling in their faith but it doesn't mean that works won't be present, manifesting the life of Christ. God's children each have their own journey on the transformation wheel and some may make it a bit tougher for bringing about the beauty of Christ. At least that's what happened with me. It was hard to trust God as my Father but when I got there it was the best experience of my life, to know He truly loved me and had His best.

teshuvahmusic said...

I tried to post this a few days ago but apparently it didn't go thru.

Anon #103, interesting you mentioned a kerfuffle at Lighthouse Trails. If I ever get around to telling my story at my own blog, LT would be named as one of my biggest influences early in my discernment walk. Their material on the emerging church and the contemplative movement is excellent. But I stopped reading them several years ago and can't even tell you why. Just something told me to steer away. (Same with Berit Kjos. I gained so much about the occult and NWO, but had to stop reading.) I don't agree with replacement theology in ANY form, but on the other hand Christian Zionism is a deception, so I'm immediately cautious of anyone who is "gung-ho" about CZ. So your mention of this is a confirmation for me about my inexplicable caution of LT, even though I didn't know they were Zionist and, back when I used to read LT, didn't have discernment about CZ either.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:00 am, I'm not asking this to be disputatious, but want to understand where you're coming from. Is this Anon-James? I'm assuming you're not Calvinist. You said, "If you are truly born again then it is not a matter of falling from grace because you would never leave the fold. The word says that if they went out from us, they were really not of us." That's the kind of passage that Calvinists use to say that those who persevere are "of the elect" and those who fall away "were never of the elect" to start with. I'm guessing you don't mean it in quite that way. But where do you see the difference between that kind of OSAS and full-on Calvinist belief? I'm not OSAS because there is such a thing as a "worthless servant" being put out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. And I'm not Calvinist anyway because there IS free will. But I feel there's a strong case that our Father keeps His sheep by any means necessary, including severe means like a long "timeout" in the outer darkness where the sinners abide. From my perspective, that means He deals with our sin issues both during this life and after physical death (because the master judges the worthless servants only AFTER he returns). If you're Anon-James, I'm not looking to revive the "hell" debate from the other thread -- we can agree to disagree. :-) Just looking to understand how other people solve the "perseverance" issue without treading on Calvinist ground, if that makes sense. It's an area where I'm struggling right now to put the pieces together.

Jim Baumgaertel said...

Blog author, I'm grateful for all our Lord Jesus has brought you through. Please feel free to contact me. I'm the author of the "Evangelical Subculture" article that you linked to. I care about what you are going through. I'm going through things also. Jesus is breaking and remaking us, moment by moment and day by day. Genesis through Revelation is profound in the context of world history... world history in the context of Genesis through Revelation. Jesus loves us. Jim Baumgaertel

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:00 p.m. addressing Anon # 103

I am not that Anon but did want to comment on your question about the difference between OSAS and Calvinist Doctrine.

Firstly, Calvinism is based on a false gospel. So all of the "petals" of their TULIP are also false. The last one to which you must be referring which regards "Perseverance of the Saints" is built on a false gospel. The Calvinist doctrine of God electing some to heaven and some to hell by predermination is the basis for this part of the TULIP. They believe that if a person is chosen for heaven then God would have to preserve them and not allow them to fall from the faith. That is much different from the biblical gospel which says that God has given mankind a free will. He will either respond to the gospel message or he will not. If he/she does respond and is born-again of the Spirit, then that person is sealed unto redemption. God by His foreknowledge knew everything about that person's life from beginning to end even before they are saved. Mankind cannot earn salvation by works and cannot maintain salvation by works. Yes, we are to do good works, but it should be because we love the Lord and want to serve and please Him. Christians do make bad choices and often have to live with the consequences but won't lose salvation. Christians will sin and if unconfessed will be chastened. Also, rewards will be missed at the Bema Seat and many will regret missed opportunities to serve the Lord. But salvation which is a gift is is not in question. This is based on the true Gospel, not the false gospel of Calvinism.

I hope this is helpful. Surprisingly there are many who have not made this distinction. Many have not grasped the extent of the mercy and grace of God. Grace is not a license to sin but rather something for which to thank and praise God for showing to us.

Debra said...

I John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

teshuvahmusic said...

Anon 3:21 pm, this is Anon 3:00 pm. It didn't post my name for some reason. Thanks for your response, but all you did was restate my question. :-) Here's what I'm not clear on: If you believe in OSAS, how do you justify that belief without resorting to Calvinistic reasoning? Calvinists have to ignore Bible passages that teach we can fall away (the most famous one is Hebrews 6) in order to maintain the P of their TULIP. You can be OSAS without believing in TULIP, but it seems to me you have to ignore the same passages that Calvinists do. Does that make sense?

Here are a few examples:

Heb. 10:28-29 we cannot escape (from punishment) if we trample on the blood of the covenant which sanctified us (past tense – already saved)

Heb. 6:4-6 we cannot be renewed to repentance if we have tasted the good word of God (been saved) and then fall away and crucify the Son afresh

Heb. 12:22-25 you have come to mount Zion and the new covenant (speaking to those who are already saved), so do not reject Him who speaks, because they did not escape (from punishment for their disobedience) when He spoke to them the first time

Matt. 24:45-51 the faithful and wise servant turns evil, so when his master comes, he cuts him in pieces and puts him where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (aka outer darkness)

In your opinion, what is the punishment referred to in these passages? To me, outer darkness (Matt. 25:30, 22:13, 8:12) sounds like the same reward that the wicked unsaved get (Rev. 22:15, 21:8; 1 Cor. 6:9-10).

Anonymous said...

Teshuvahmusic- I'm a new commenter in this thread, when I saw your last comment it troubled me greatly. Let me preface this by I am in no way a Calvinist and I believe they are a heresy of Rome. I believe the Bible to be true and man a liar, I chose to follow God, not man.

My first question to you is when do you believe you are saved and what are you saved from?

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 kJV

The Bible tells us that Jesus saves people from their sins, in this life, so that we are born again of the Spirit. Being saved from our sins by being covered with Jesus' blood and righteousness (His righteousness) we then are reconciled unto God, our relationship with the Father is healed and because of Christ we are promised to be with Him in paradise.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. John 10:27-30 kJV

So when Jesus saves is once for all time or does it have to be repeated over and over for forgiveness of sins when someone "falls away"? That's Roman Catholic doctrine by the way.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6 kJV

The Bible tells us that you cannot be renewed if you fall away. That means if you were saved you were never really saved since it was lost. John 10:27-30 tells us that Jesus keeps us, that once He saves us we are kept by His power, by the power of God Almighty one is truly saved and nothing any man can do will take us out of His saving hands.

If you have the power to make Christ's salvation nullified then you are saying that God is not all powerful and make Him to be a liar. If by your own works you are kept then you are taking at least partial credit for salvation and do not have saving faith in Christ (works salvation). If by your works you are keeping your salvation then your salvation is not of God. Biblical salvation is of God alone. Ephesians 2:8-9; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18; Acts 4:12.

You are either born-again or you never were. It's all through faith is Jesus' finished works or you were never saved. Born-again believers have been given the Holy Spirit and it is the fruit of the Spirit that does good works through born-again believers. Those who don't have saving faith but are doing their works to earn favor with God are tares (look a likes), the seed (faith) was not planted in good ground (not saving faith that brings forth good fruit). Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 13.

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. Acts 16:29-34 kJV

Heather Noelle said...

Hi BB -
Just wanted you to know I sent a few emails...two a couple weeks back and another today. Finally got a chance to answer everything today. No rush, I know it gets busy. Just wanted to be sure you saw them and they didn't go to spam. Today's, I did start a new email as you said. Take care, hope you're doing well. Look forward to hearing back from you at some point.
H.

teshuvahmusic said...

Anon 11:24 am, thanks for engaging in conversation with me. I greatly appreciate your gentleness of tone and will seek to have the same toward you.

I have to be honest, the way you explained your view sounds just like Calvinist Perseverance (or Preservation) of the Saints ("P" of TULIP) to me. You believe that if we fall away, that is proof we were never saved, because only the truly saved will persevere. That is exactly what Calvinists believe and they use the same explanations to back it up. I'm glad you're not a Calvinist (and agree Calvinism is another RCC invention). I'm just wondering if you've considered how close you are to them in this respect, in your understanding of Scripture.

I'd like to agree with you about eternal security, but I can't deny the plain meaning of the passages listed (and others I didn't list). I think you have to force an interpretation on them that doesn't emerge naturally from the passage or context. Re: Hebrews 6:4-6, it says such a one can't be "renewed" to repentance. That's an illogical choice of words if that person has no history of repentance. If I say, "My husband and I are going to renew our marriage vows," you know we've been married at least once already. The word "renew" doesn't mean we've never been married (or that a person has never repented)!

Re: Hebrews 10:28-29, it says these persons trample on the blood of the covenant "by which they WERE [previously] sanctified." How can we say someone was sanctified by the blood of Christ, unless they already have been saved/begun a relationship with Him?

There's also 1 Cor. 10:12 "Let him who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall," 2 Peter 1:10 "Take care not to be led away by the lawless and fall from your secure position," and Rev. 2:5 "keep in mind how far you have fallen. Repent and perform the deeds you did at first. But if you do not repent, I will remove your lampstand." How can you have a "secure position," unless you ARE/WERE saved? How can you have a lampstand, unless you ARE/WERE saved?

A favored Calvinist answer to these passages (that say you can fall from your secure position, and your lampstand can be removed) is that they are "hyperbole." Do you believe they are hyperbole?

Debra said...

Anon 11:55 I whole heartedly agree.

Debra said...

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

God didn't say He will condemn His people but judge them.

Romans 8:1-6 (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Debra said...

I Peter 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

teshuvahmusic said...

BB, I sent you an email. :-)

Anonymous said...

I stumbled upon your blog the other day when I was looking for the significance of the bee imagery..it felt like I was reading someone who had been inside my head for the past few years! I have been going through your posts feverishly trying to understand where to go or what to with all of this information,you sound like you are in the nyc area? Is there any bible group or ANYTHING where iron can sharpen iron?!? I am tired of everyone thinking I am crazy! Thank you for your posts and research, prayer and dedication.. I have much respect for you!! God bless