Sunday, April 29, 2012

Websites that Expose ATI, IBLP, and Gothard

Bill Gothard, well I've written about him before...Remember he is the man whose teachings the Duggar family follows as they attend his ATI conferences. These conferences are held nationwide and at many centers. Pray for the Duggars to come out of this cult. I hope and pray all their children are truly born again and others come out away from the influence of Gothard.  Weird title in the below...[for cities of light?]

ATI stands for Advanced Training Institute. This is a terrible name, why the focus on TRAINING? If you google the name, you will find the website that shows the different centers in Texas, Indiana and elsewhere.

IBLP stands for Institute in Basic Life Principles, both of these are Gothard's organizations.

Take some time and read these stories, I will warn with some of them they do contain descriptions of abuse.


The short story is that I made a false profession of salvation at the age of 5, grew up in ATI and IBLP, was influenced heavily by a legalistic perspective of God, began my “detox” process toward the end of college, and ultimately was saved at the age of 28 after marrying a fellow ATIer and having two children.

The longer story is broken up into several sections (seven sections, to be precise…Mr. Gothard would be so pleased!). It is admittedly extended, but I want to provide a real look inside the life and mindset of a young person in IBLP. I have tried to be transparent and it is a story that needs to be told – not because I am anyone special, but because God has dispensed an abundance of grace toward me that I do not deserve. This story is ultimately not about a boy who found God at the end of the journey; rather, it is the story of God seeking glory in the unmerited life of one He chose to claim as His own.

Gothardism, to me just seems like an extreme revamped Catholicism, work your way to heaven or in one way, have a good enough "character" to *make* it to heaven. I am glad the above young man came out and was born again.

Here someone else who grew up in the ATI world, sums it up....
Within ATI, Gothard was viewed as a sort of demigod. I remember attending the annual conferences where he was lauded with 10 minute standing ovations. We awaited every word that he said with baited breath, and took it all as gospel truth. We didn’t ask questions, we just accepted it. And that was the norm in ATI. Gothard was all about controlling people’s minds through anecdotes that would strike fear, and using scriptures out of context to say things that he wanted them to say.

That definitely is a concern. I have to admit, when man is praised too much and elevated that is a problem. Jesus Christ is Who the focus should be on. Gothard is another "celebrity" preacher obviously who holds people in his sway. I have to admit when visiting a few local churches, I saw this on the local level, and just felt horrified by it, one SBC had this ultra charismatic pastor, who everyone positively adored. Such hero-worship carried to extremes should give one the willies.

Recovering Grace is another website, where ex-Gothardites and those who grew up in the ATI system talk about their experiences there.

Some interesting articles here exposing the false teachings include

"We Were Elite, Super Special Christians"

One can see the cult training was promoted here, the focus on appearances, and extremes, think about the absurdity of sending children OUT to LOOK FOR IMMODESTY...

How could we know how our outward appearance should look? We were given school assignments to go to a local shopping area and observe people. We were told what to look for–“eye traps” such as women wearing pants, tight fitting clothing, low necklines, etc., etc., etc. Then we were to discern and “diagnose” their spiritual shortcomings based on their clothing choices.

Another part of this outward appearance was that our eyes needed to be “bright and shining.” This involved keeping a clear conscience. We were supposed to look deeply into our innermost being and confess every wrong thought, attitude, or action. For me, this translated into never trusting myself at all–I mean, the heart is deceitfully wicked, so I needed to shut down my emotions so they didn’t lead me into sin and take away my bright eyes.

We were given a list of sins that might cause the “light of the eye” to dim or go out. Lust (and all other sexual sins), worldly movies, rock music–again the list seemed nearly endless. What was conspicuously missing from this list was illness, grief, discouragement, burn out, and lack of sleep, to name a few. If you used any of those reasons as an explanation for why you weren’t wearing bright eyes and a ministry smile at all times, you were labeled an “energy taker,” and you were to be avoided like the plague because energy takers could rob the light from an energy giver!

Sounds like some subtle New-Age teachings ["robbing the light"] there to go with all the cult stuff.

I know I have written this before, never trust any church, religion or group that tells you to suppress God-given emotions and to always keep a false smile on your face. One sees that false teaching with the Duggars. This is why the Duggar family acts so Stepford-like on camera.

Here an ATI SAHD [Stay At Home Daughter] talks about being woefully unprepared for the world

Unprepared for Life

This article exposes Gothards misuse of scripture

"A New Approach To Easter"

What is Gothard's fascination with numbers?

Goathard actually wrote a letter responding to all those who have left and exposing his false teachings, remember that many of these people who left, are now Christians, even if they have rejected Gothards teachings. You will see the focus is on their would-be immorality and love of "unclean music".

"A Response to Bill Gothard"

See the letter here

Notice in the second page, the emphasis on WORLD CHANGERS?

A HUGE LIST OF links here:

Bill Gothard, ATI & IBLP, ALERT etc

Connections between Huckabee and Gothard

Demerits for a 23 Year Old? Fundamentalist Christian Colleges......

Over time I have been reading different things said by those who have gone to these colleges, I mentioned things I noticed about Hyles Anderson and others in the fundamentalist world. Why on earth are these colleges run like insane English 19 century orphanages where they hand out demerits, to full grown adults like they are children?  I found this video on Stuff Fundies Like:

Is it odd for me to think that punishing a TWENTY THREE YEAR old for watching a TV show is overkill? He watched the show off campus. I do not watch Glee, I would not suggest anyone else watch it, since it promotes many worldly things, but this is a GROWN MAN even if he is very young. Twenty-three year olds have been fathers and have died in wars. Remember my article The Oppression of Youth and Dominionism? Why doesn't anyone else consider these type of punishments absurd for grown adults?

There seem to be some serious problems here:
"BJU claims that the reason Christopher Peterman was expelled on April 24, 2012 was for "intimidating" them by contacting outside agencies but those familiar with the situation claim that BJU expelled Christopher for bringing to light sexual abuse issues within the University and for starting the first ever student protest on the campus of Bob Jones."

I always have questioned many of these universities given their ties to the political order. Bob Jones University gave the then Governor G.W. Bush, an invitation to speak with a letter of full support from the president of the university.

See more here

I've done reading around line and it seems as far as the DEMERITS and extreme rules go, several if not more fundamentalist Christian colleges are run this way. I can understand them not wanting their students acting like it's Animal House, nor drinking on campus or breaking criminal laws, but the ways the rules are imposed from what I can tell is insulting to what should be free young men and women. The worse thing in the case in the video, this may be connected to suppressing free speech about corruption and sex abuse.

Webwide, you can find people sharing experiences of their fundamentalist college experiences, which for some led to a losing of faith and what they thought Christianity was about. While I am sure many of these colleges have young people who do truly love the Lord and serve Him, one wonders about all the focus on legalistic rules? Is that part of the Dominionism mentality? I'm not sure, but something has gone awry. Some may say well the military has rules too, and people choose to sign up, but some of this stuff seems beyond that. You'll read that some of these colleges take things as far as censoring reading material and more.

Thursday, April 26, 2012

"Science: The Bible's Best Friend"

Well God made "science".

I found this old video to be interesting, helps bring up some of those design questions to non-believers. I was having this very discussion with an atheist, who asked "How do you know God is real"?

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

A Weird Book I Saw

I found this book at the library the other day and found myself disturbed. I feel like the book is a psy-op of some sort. Why did they choose 11 as the number for the title? 11 is a well used number in the occult.

The book warns of German society marching freely after the Nazis, believing the lies. And that is a good warning, but I laughed when his response to the possible problems in America, was GO VOTE. Yes I am summing it up in a short version. Yes voting for Romney will solve everything. What a joke!

I have studied a lot about Nazi Germany, probably due to personal history--in-laws who were THERE. And right now the same plans are being followed, NDAA, the nationalization of industry, inflation to come and more. What is odd is this book ignored all this stuff, including the worse aspects of the police state. It is a weird little book, very short with simple illustrations.

Who is this Andy Andrews guy?

What is his message, focusing on the millions of people who have died in this world? How many are dying now via the new world order? How many have died in those Middle Eastern countries we keep going to war with?

I'd like to tell Andy Andrews, the Nazis are already here.

Your book made no sense to me. Sometimes I realize when I read something, someone is trying to manipulate me. The book has too many holes.

He asks why did everyone follow so docily? Of course they lied to the Jews as well as everyone else, they kept secret what they were doing in those camps.

We are being LIED to NOW.

By the way, this guy has been invited to speak to presidents and corporations and seems to have a lot of high level involvements.

and look where else he showed up....

The controlled opposition crowd know to co-op, what people warn about. They know to grab the messages and then add in more confusion.  I wonder if this book is meant to mislead or herd people, who are warning now about the parallels between modern American police state society and Nazi Germany. is it meant as another blinder with desensitization to huge unimaginable numbers of human deaths? I think so.

You know how false discernment ministries have been found and discovered, well, politics too you know.....They lie about the lies. Deception in this world is a multi-layered onion.

Chuck Colson Dies

[interesting handshake...]

Chuck Colson died some days ago at the age of 80

Chuck Colson sadly was one of the biggest ecumenists out there, advancing Catholic and evangelical ties. Be careful of trusting government "insiders" too when it comes to religion. These types get their "placements" from on high. Colson's wife was a Catholic as well. Ever wonder why there are so many folks like this whose main emphasis has been on yoking churches to Rome? Definitely this man was working for the Vatican to help usher evangelicals under the ecumenical umbrella. Sadly now that he is gone, many have popped up in his place.

Check out some of these links:

More than 70 percent of Colson's Prison Fellowship chaplains are Roman Catholic (Calvary Contender, Nov. 15, 1999).

In February 1977 Colson told the 35th annual convention of the National Association of Evangelicals:
"I'm not certain that I have any convictions other than one, that [we must end] ... the divisions which have separated the believers historically and have weakened the impact of Christianity on 20th Century America. ... You know, I am in a very ecumenical position. I'm an Episcopalian. I love to go to Baptist churches nearby, particularly one Baptist church where the pastor is on the board of Prison Fellowship Foundation. My wife was Roman Catholic when I was converted, and she's remained in her church, organizing a little Bible study. ... we must seek a fresh unity of spirit and A HEALING OF THE DIVISIONS which many historians write has crippled the impact of Christianity..."
Another Colson quotes:
"the body of Christ, in all its diversity, is created with Baptist feet, charismatic hands, and Catholic ears -- all with their eyes on Jesus."

Using the false cultural wars and teaming up with other religious right deceivers, Colson helped to write the Catholic-evangelical "Manhattan Declaration" and also co-wrote and co-signed "Evangelicals and Catholics Together". Many churches were brought into this net, as shown in my 2010 article "Why did a Calvary Chapel Pastor Meet with a Catholic Archbishop?" including this list with the Calvary Chapel pastor.
"As the planning unfolded, Chuck suggested we invite the world. And so we did—that is, our known world here in New Mexico . We called a meeting for the Archbishop to meet with key Evangelical leaders, Dr. Joseph Bunce of the New Mexico Baptist Conference, Dr. Micheal Dickenson of the New Mexico Assemblies of God, Dr. Fred Huff of the Nazarene Churches of New Mexico, Pastor Robert Hall of Calvary Chapel, Pastor Jian Zhu of the Albuquerque Chinese Christian Church (also a Centurion), Pastor Don Kimbro of New Mexico Christian Churches."

Ephesians 5:11 blog is right about Chuck Colson instigating many ecumenical meetings and making the original invitations. One organization to explore is the Colson Center for Christian Worldview...he refers to his followers as centurions [yes more of that Roman speak, another name for a knight except an earlier version there of]

See: False Culture Wars And the Manhattan Declaration

Joel Osteen: Mormon Romney Is Christian; Obama Is Too

The definition of "Christian" is getting looser and looser. Lest you think "Oh that is just Osteen who is an overt deceiver", keep in mind they still have managed to herd most of the religious right camp into supporting a Mormon.

Sunday, April 22, 2012

For Christians Without Churches: Two Videos

There are many who have left churches. I know I have been dealing with the years of being outside the fellowship of a church, and have shared on this blog, why I am not in a church, and the false teachings that have kept me and others out. Many who write me at this blog have had to make that same decision. Please watch these videos especially if you are a Christian outside the church system like myself, they were of help and comfort to me.

I agree with this man about learning about the Bible on your own. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher. I read the Bible myself, and ask God all the time to teach me. He is right that the pastors are not teaching "scriptural doctrine"and that they are not teaching the Word of God from the Bible. Like him, I found instances where pastors would teach something and it would not match the Bible. In the false churches here in my present community that happened constantly. The churches here are mostly either liturgical ones or modern evangelical ones in full apostasy.

I believe fellowship is important, for me not having that kind of community in day to day life IS not easy. It is not easy for any Christian who has had to make that choice. I still have open communication with some of my old church members, my old fundamentalist church was devastated via economic factors, and underwent changes with a new pastor. My old church members know I am not in a church, one old church member told me she would pray for me and I talked to her recently about what I had faced. Most have understood why I am outside the churches.

The Church is a hospital for sinners. He is right about that but we want a hospital who passes out life giving "medicine". He has a point about those who have a judgmental attitude. I try to meet people where they are at and question myself even doing this blog, knowing while I have found these things out I should never use it to lord it over anyone. I am just here to share what I have learned.

He is right that a lot of people have gotten away from God because of the situation in the churches. God does want us to draw close to Him. One's relationship with God should come first. In fact many things happening in the churches pushes people away from Him. With God, I had no choice but to obey when God told me, "Get out of here!"

Here is Part 2

I am glad he tells people that it is OK to be outside of a church. He is right about there being many of us who have had to leave the churches. While I know I struggle with my own loneliness related to this issue, I know from even letters sent to this blog and elsewhere, people like us are out there. I have met the "you have to go to church" contingent, but then I have said, to such people, "the body of Christ exists outside of brick and mortar buildings". For me, too the church is the collected body of those in Christ. It is the ekklesia. He is right about those who are out of churches who would prefer a local body of a believers but must make that hard decision.

Being outside of a church does not make you less of a Christian, he is accurate in warning about that. I would hope people would rethink this matter too. Here too, I agree with him, I am not perfect either, so understand where he is coming from. One of the most important things is drawing close to God. He is right, it is hard without a church family. I had a loved church family for years, even being taken away from them was a grief filled enterprise. I have contact with my old church family via the Internet, but I know they also served a purpose in preparing me especially as a new Christian. He is right about it being a bit harder without the support of others in a physical community but that is where God's help comes in.

I know if I found a preacher who teaches the word of God correctly [these are growing very rare] and I could find another church family, I would be open to it. I have the fellowship via the Internet as well. Many here who respond to this blog who I write with, have been a source of great support as well. The advice to stay in the Word of the God and fellowship as you are able, is great advice.

Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

TSA Scanners to go Nation-Wide

I take RT with a grain of salt, but know about the move to push what they do at airports to bus stops and train stations. America is entering a police state. These machines are dangerous, and give people high dosages of radiation, I have warned people about them but few want to listen.

Did anyone here ever dream that check-points like Nazi Germany and Stalin Russia would come to America?

I have not flown in years myself.

Pope Says Word of God Lives on in Traditions

This is a good graphic summing up this post.

Word of God lives on in Church tradition, Pope reminds Biblical Commission

In a message to the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Pope Benedict XVI has observed that “the Word of God is not confined to writing,” but has “continued to be announced and interpreted by the living tradition of the Church.”
While Revelation “ended with the death of the last apostle,” the Pope said, the Word of God is not “an inert matter” but rather the “life force” of the Church. Tradition, passed on from the apostles, “advances with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, and grows through reflection and study on the part of believers,” he said. 
For that reason, the Pope stressed in his message, it is important to study and understand the role of inspiration in the Scriptures—which was the topic of this week’s meeting of the Pontifical Biblical Commission. The Pope concluded that it is critical to interpret Scripture according to its proper nature, “and inspiration and truth are constituent characteristics of that nature.”

The satanically inspired Pope says the exact opposite of Jesus Christ.

Mat 15:3    But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

One thing to notice about God's Word, is Jesus Christ Himself, told us "it is written", contrary to the words of the Pope above where he says, "the word of God is not confined to writing." [see the speech here]

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Luk 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

Wednesday, April 18, 2012

A Variety of Links #12

Here are two reviews of the movie Courageous put out by Kirk Cameron, but which was shown in many venues. Both articles discuss the advancement of Vision Forum and patriarchy movement concepts to a mainstream audience. I have written before about Kirk Cameron's and Ray Comfort's connections to Vision Forum before. One thing with this stuff, I believe the new world order is influencing the Christianity community on purpose and by plan, to take them into what Ronald Cooke called THEONOMY which essentially comes about from Rome. These movies are influencing millions of people not just thousands.

Ramblin' Man: The Forest and the Trees

First ramble: A couple of people have expressed concern that Cindy "goes out of her way" or "overreaches" to make a connection between Courageous and Vision Forum. It makes me wonder if anyone even bothered to research the links she provided within her review. They aren't there for their festive coloration. We need to be clear - Cindy isn't manufacturing a connection... 

The initial connection was most likely via Fireproof and Kirk Cameron. What developed from there is anyone's guess, but there's no gray area that Courageous serves as a vehicle for the teachings/ideas of Voddie Baucham, Doug Phillips, and Geoff Botkin, intended to introduce those ideas to the mainstream - and the mainstream, as non-discerning as ever, lapped up the shiny, "Christian" packaging without asking ANY real questions.
A Thorough Review of Courageous

The Father as Spiritual Intermediary Priest for his Children. Though it is subtle and because I am familiar with the doctrines taught within the subculture, I note the subtly conveyed concept that fathers also act as intermediary priests for their children which the film implies. In the homily at the end of the film, the character named Adam first uses the language of “God's design for families.” The veneer looks quite appealing, but the underbelly of the concept is a pagan Paterfamilia snare created by language which manipulates thought. In terms of Vision Forum's system, this is not God's design for families, but rather exemplifies the traditions of men

See also “Courageous” and the Patriarchy Movement"
The “Patriarchy” and “Quiverfull” movements, including such organizations as Vision Forum, are spiritually abusive and legalistic movements, as well as being a total misrepresentation of proper biblical family relationships.

Here is an additional article too on Cameron's movie Monumental.

Kirk Cameron’s Monumental Reveals Subtle Influence of Christian Reconstructionism

Based on pre-release clips and interviews, many observers, myself included, noted the ties between Cameron’s experts (especially David Barton and Herb Titus) and Christian Reconstruction. But as I sat in the theater recently, I was stunned at how thoroughly the film was shaped by the worldview articulated by Rushdoony a half century ago. I never expected to see “my folks” (as we ethnographers call the people we study) on the big screen in a packed theater (one of 550 nationwide) presenting the Rushdoony worldview to unsuspecting evangelicals, homeschoolers, and tea partiers.

People should be concerned about what is being promoted out there, and the ties these folks have with one another.

Kirk Cameron, the Sovereignty of God and His Kingdom, with Doug Phillips at 2012 Christian Filmmakers Academy from Vision Forum on Vimeo.

Did you notice the CULTURE CHANGERS meme in the title? This comes from the Emergent movement too. Remember these people believe they are building God's kingdom on earth, Tower of Babylon deceptions to the max! I do not know if Kirk Cameron is a sincere person who has simply been misled by the Dominionists leaders like Doug Philips or a knowing deceiver, and there are truths here about God included but how what kind of "victory in the future" is Cameron talking about? He seems like such a nice guy, and that is the danger, because what he teaches is WRONG!

Victory should be in Jesus Christ not in political schemes. One thing I hope to achieve on this blog if anything else, is to get people to understand how Dominionism skews the gospel. Victory in this world and of this world is NOTHING. Those who define "overcometh" here, as take over the world and start bossing all the unbelievers around and "make" them be good have lost the plot.

1Jo 5:4    For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.


Vision Forum celebrates the Titantic This was kind of an odd event. I would like to know why anyone would celebrate a tragic event where 1200 people perished in cold water or drowned? The push for speed to set a record also was part of what happened there when the ship hit the iceberg. What is this sort of propaganda about?

Doug Phillips founded the Christian Boy’s and Men’s Titanic Society in 1997, and each year the society hosts a gathering on the anniversary of Titanic’s sinking to commemorate the legacy of male chivalry demonstrated on board the ship when the great ocean liner foundered.
What a strange thing to focus on.

Actually survival rates were more dependent on what class one was, the wealthier people on the higher decks compared to those in steerage had far higher chances of making it out alive. Just compare the steerage stats to the first class stats. While some men did sacrifice for women and children, that was part of the picture as well.

Here too we see the ever present focus on period pieces and idealizing times in the past. I saw this picture advertising the event. Notice something about that picture?

With the Titantic, there is some interesting history out there, especially if you have heard some of the alternative theories why the boat sunk. This is not an endorsement of this website, but I have read this elsewhere too.

"There were a number of very rich and powerful men who made it abundantly clear that they were not in favor of the Federal Reserve System. J.P. Morgan was ordered by the Jesuits to build the Titanic. This ‘unsinkable’ ship would serve as the death ship for those who opposed the Jesuits’ plan for a Federal Reserve system. These rich and powerful men would have been able to block the establishment of the Federal Reserve, and their power and fortunes had to be taken out of their hands. They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect that they were murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits. The Titanic was the vehicle of their destruction. In order to further shield the papacy and the Jesuits from suspicion, many Irish, French, and Italian Roman Catholics immigrating to the New World were aboard. They were people who were expendable. Protestants from Belfast who wanted to immigrate to the United States were also invited on board.
Even the faithful and good Roman Catholic people were betrayed by the Jesuits. Irish, French and Italian Roman Catholics aboard Titanic ship perished in the middle of the cold water of the Atlantic Ocean. 
All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned."

Interesting theory....that one may need more research.

But still I find an event strange, no matter the realities behind what happened, that celebrates such a tragic event. They played dress up and they matched the menu of the dinners on the ship at this event.
To me this event sounds kind of depressing, like dancing on a graveyard or something.

Luk 9:60     Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.



Note to readers while I include matters regarding biblical encouragement and salvation messages this is not a devotional blog. The more devotional blogs the better, but the focus here is to warn of deception in the churches and has been that from the beginning. Some may disagree with that focus but that is what it is. One problem one faces out there, is the people who have been led to believe that Christians are not allowed to warn about anything, like they want us all to live in la la la land, this is one major part of the problem.

For those who write me saying "How dare you write about evil things", every time I do a thread on something "dark", it is not always an easy decision, as I have written before there are matters I have elected not to post on as well.

I know this particular reader took issue with the Mormonism and Freemason article. I have no regrets in posting it, people need to know the truth about these religions even if that truth is NOT pretty. I read Rome was the harlot while still Catholic and it helped wake me up. Yes preaching the gospel is important.

There have been some who have written, who have been upset that not every article has a gospel message enclosed within it. If one is going to write about all the errors of Mormonism compared to the Bible, the article would be the length of a book not just a blog entry. I pray for Mormons to come out of their false system and have posted a video before of the false teachings of Mormonism compared to biblical Christianity. Just like Catholics who are taught a false gospel, Mormons too need the true saving gospel of Jesus Christ. Why would I warn about Mormonism otherwise? Most of evangelicalism now has been been led into the ecumenical movement with them TOO, with Glenn Beck and others leading the way. If Romney wins, and the elite aren't going to give Obama a second term, even more so.

It astounds me how many believe the Christian job is to be SILENT, or matters past preaching the gospel to unbelievers even if it is about discussing matters with other Christians, are not to be done. This silence in the pews, has been part of the problem.


One part of the New World Order's antics, are taking things that are good and twisting them. Many Christians do think in positive ways about embracing community and living more frugal lives, some even have returned to the land. I have even held interest in some of these life-styles though my own circumstances are different.  So these things are not wrong within themselves, but remember everything is this world can be abused for power and twisted. With the community-based "help" or communitarianism, that is a way they can seek power, prestige and usher more people into their circles.

The Fanatic for Jesus blog is right about how they desire to bring together churches, government and corporations together as a three legged stool for a "common good". This is being sold by the left now as well as the right. People who are down and out getting help are not to blame, but it's more of the convergence from the top down. In the second article, while some may dream of a more simple and connected life, this too is being twisted for even with demands with the move to "sustainable living" Just think of this way, the elite desire a new feudalism, with the peasants back in the "huts"and on the land or herded into the cities. The formula by the way has been replicated already in world history, think of Maoist China. I read the memoirs where even formerly city or educated people were ordered to the farm communities to produce crops for the state.

Restoring Love: Glenn Beck's Plan for Communitarianism

Transition Towns: Skill Sharing for a New Age of Urban Homesteading

Drinking the "sustainable communities for a healthy city elixir" is one transformational agenda your community will not want. If allowed in, a city near you will attempt to save the planet by trading cars for bikes, create open markets for "self-sustaining communities," and design "human settlements" (located on transit lines) where everyone can dialogue, share common ground, and be equal.
Does this sound like a place where you want to live? Socialism/Communism/Fascism has always produced poverty, not prosperity. Collectivism creates oppression, not freedom [1]- no matter how positive they make it sound.
Remember what I warned about regarding "COMMON GROUND" and Collectivism here.

This is true. As I have written before, WHY DO SOME CONSIDER CONSPIRACY TO BE A THEORY? So many are outraged and surprised that the "networks" are so intense, and interwoven, but think this out, WEREN'T WE WARNED? Sure we were.

1Jo 3:7    Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

The Conspiracy Against the Bride of Christ is Biblical

Ephesians 5:11 blog's new website "Calvary Chapel Watchman"


A Christian friend informed me about the differences between mainstream KJV and older KJVs and one's done by smaller publishers. I compared my Bibles and was surprised to see some of these differences a few months ago. Some do change the meaning, like heavens vs. heaven. This video warns about this matter. I think if your Bible is falling apart that is a good are reading and using it! I look for old KJV Bibles in used book stores when I can find them. My main purpose in am posting this is to show that there are differences in present day published KJV Bibles, I was surprised myself when I found this out, and it is something very few know. Of course I understand the 1611 ones etc are different but why so many differences between the versions of today?

This pastor has an interesting library, someone who has Boettner, and books like "Billy Graham and Friends" by Cathy Burns as well as her book on symbols is doing a bit of research. Some of his bookshelf looks like mine, I did have to weed out some books for space purposes. Sadly he does have a lot of Ruckman books who he seems to support and I do not, but I remember it took me time to see through some of the errors in the King James Only movement and to understand where Ruckman was coming from. The KJV Bible is the BEST English translation but not "new revelation" as some of those teachers teach. That said, I really wondered at some of the verses that had been changed between KJV Bibles and believe that is something worthy to warn about.

Tuesday, April 17, 2012

The Rise of Atheism in America

The Rise of Atheism in America

This article is overly simplified, the number of agnostics probably outnumbers the total atheists. There is truth that the antics and hypocrisy of the false churches and religious right have turned people away from God. In fact that is one of the saddest things about this all. Even while witnessing, I have to tell people scripture and what the Bible actually says because their picture of Christianity has been formed by the phonies filling the airwaves. Very few have heard the direct gospel too. The phonies have tore down faith adding to the already fallen away nature of our culture.

"It's primarily a backlash against the religious Right, say political scientists Robert Putnam and David Campbell. In their book, American Grace, they argue that the religious Right's politicization of faith in the 1990s turned younger, socially liberal Christians away from churches, even as conservatives became more zealous. The dropouts were turned off by churches' Old Testament condemnation of homosexuals, premarital sex, contraception, and abortion. The Catholic Church's sex scandals also prompted millions to equate religion with moralistic hypocrisy. "While the Republican base has become ever more committed to mixing religion and politics," Putnam and Campbell write, "the rest of the country has been moving in the opposite direction." As society becomes more secular, researchers say, doubters are more confident about identifying themselves as nonbelievers. "The collapse of institutional religion in the first 10 years of this century [has] freed so many people to say they don't really care," said author Diana Butler Bass."

I know when I was young, I rejected "Christianity" or what I thought it was, seeing the endless numbers of crooked TV preachers and the teachings that did not add up within the Catholic church. Bad churches produce atheists and agnostics, especially among young people. I know many people now who were taken to churches by parents, who reject religion as a whole. Young people are given no biblical foundation and are given a false version of Christianity instead, that may include the Mormon, Catholic, postmodern "versions' that lead to more unbelief. One thing too, and I've mentioned this on the Dominionist threads, a young person's faith has to be made their OWN, with their own relationship with Jesus Christ, telling a young person you must be a religion simply because your parent is a religion is not going to work. In fact that is one of the things that makes me most nauseous about the Vision Forum/Patriarchy crowd, they remain me of my own Catholic experiences, where one is born into a church and told they must be that religion because of where they were born.

Parents want to provide biblical training and talking to their children about God, but "religion of inheritance" is definitely a path to spiritual failure and ennui.

I look at the churches, and if I did not have my own saving faith in Jesus Christ, I would not want anything to do with what is portrayed as "Christianity" either! Of course knowing other saved believers is another blessing too but this comes from their own relationship with Jesus Christ.

One needs to have that personal relationship with and love for God. For remnant Christians, our relationship with Jesus Christ, allows us to see the truth through all the muck, but what about those who are not even saved, and all they see before them is the hypocrisy, cruelty, corruption and more?

Of course the horrific politics and dreams of world power and theocracy among the supposed "faithful" turns many people off. While sin blinds many, there are sincere seekers out there, I see lost in the the "Christianity" maze, troubled by the evil they see, and wrongly thinking God is running that show. Of course here, pray and the Holy Spirit will call people to salvation in Jesus Christ. There are many out there, who are EX-atheists who are now Christians. Here too I think of my own salvation in Jesus Christ and the years of rejecting God prior to that.

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

 There are some things I want people to think about even in regards to their own young people and helping to lead them to a saving faith in Jesus Christ.

I more then anyone understand why and how people are led into disbelief. The sad thing about me is around age 9, reading Late Great Planet Earth, sadly a book full of errors but at least some exposure to prophecy and bible verses, and getting VERY INTERESTED in the Bible, is that was definitely squashed by outraged nuns, and others who told me "evangelical Christians" were "crazy". I know by the next year, I was thinking well if the Bible isn't true, why bother? Well that is what is happening too, think about the seminaries, false pastors, etc, who have done their utmost to break down belief in God's Word. The churches are full of even pastors who will tell young students like this...

"Once written, many experts believe, the Gospels were redacted, or edited, repeatedly as they were copied and circulated among church elders during the last first and early second centuries.
-Jeffery L. Sheler, "The Four Gospels," (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)"

Add in Jesus seminar types like Bart Ehrman influencing folks out there and faith is chipped away. Now here is a tract I have embedded. Many Christians would attest like this man, "Explain Me" describing God in their lives.......

Saturday, April 14, 2012

Mormonism is Updated Freemasonry

With Romney did you know the LDS has discussed something called the White Horse Prophecy where they expect a Mormon president to 'save the constitution" and institute a theocracy? Who knows if he will even win, and he has distanced himself from this teaching saying it is not "official" Mormon doctrine but it is of interest. Of course such prophecies are not biblical, but I've seen these discussions on Mormon boards.

It's been some time since I have written about Mormonism, but I studied  some of it years ago. I guess it's time to bring it up back again considering all the evangelicals stepping in line behind Mormon Glenn Beck [who has outwardly worn Freemasonry insignia] and with Romney now as the Mormon running for president.

THIS is another religion of Baal, including secret rituals and lies, that these people are uniting with. The video uses the NASB which I don't agree with and this is not a 100% endorsement but exposes many of the scary truths about Mormonism. Notice in the second video the involvement of Jesuit Pierre DeSmet and the bee symbols.

Mormonism IS run like a secret society, with lower level "initiates" having to move up to learn 'secrets' and have access to higher level "rituals". They keep the temple ceremonies even SECRET from MORMONS, until the day they show up for them and until they are approved. Temple rituals involve a bunch of different rituals and ceremonies that range from the baptism of the dead, washings for purification, "endowments" and odd ceremonies held through veils by Mormons dressed in white. Having studied some of those ceremonies, some are even overtly blasphemous, there was one I recall that praises the sin of Adam and Eve.

I went to this EX-MORMON website that exposed the secret ceremonies, and well the message board, was interesting, where these ex-Mormons were expressing outrage about what they saw at the temple when they showed up to go through their rituals. Some were seriously alarmed letting their God-given conscience even if they were not born again yet, show them that the rituals praising Satan, and degrading Jehovah, and death threats for those who talked, as PURE EVIL. The video above talks about how so much of Mormonism is very masonically influenced. The fact that Joseph Smith and his brother kept a talisman called the "Jupiter Stone", describes their true spiritual standing.

Check this website out....


Read some of the stories by the outraged EX-MORMONS about the SECRET TEMPLE CEREMONIES it is intense reading what people are put through [be sure to see page 2 and language warning for some of the posts]

"I was pretty weirded out by everything too."

"l remember them saying there were some special secret ceremonies they had to perform before they brought us in. l also remember the mirrors and when kneeling at the altar, l kept my eyes open and looked all around the room. l noticed that nobody had their eyes open except me.. l decided to claim that l saw a man and a woman kneeling with us because at the time l really wanted to have another brother or sister. "

This ritual described here, seems to be exactly what is done in Freemasonry where Freemasons make oaths, saying they'd sooner kill themselves then reveal the "secrets".

"from what I recall, two or three times during the ceremony we would stand and take various verbatim oaths that we'd chant en masse' with the other poor saps and then make a slash with out thumb across our necks and lower stomachs to simulate that we'd sooner kill ourselves than reveal that we just went through the weirdest freakiest ritual ever concocted. It was sort of a group secret and too creepy to ever mention outside the temple due to it's "Sacred" nature."

One of the ex-members even writes about the Masonic ties to Mormonism

"Should l tell my family what l have discovered, the facts and evidence of lies? How the temple symbols on the garments and the ceremonies are masonic? or would that be too much of a shock?"
Here is a Mormon still in the Mormon church questioning some of the rituals, ceremonies and questions. Let's pray that they have gotten out or will.

Mormon churches are marked with symbols of evil....beehives, Horus eyes and also PENTAGRAMS.

The Eagle's Gate at the Great Mormon Temple in downtown Salt Lake City:

Here is another shot:

When you walk right into a LDS church museum, there are two pentagrams on the wall.

Photos from the Children's Section of the Museum of Church History and Art in Salt Lake City.

Here is a video of a Pentagram on the outside of the building.

Google "Mormon Temple and Pentagram" they are all over the place.

The Mormons will claim that the Pentagram is a 'good symbol", but even here in this link defending it, their mention of Constantine using it, shows where their roots come from.

The Pentagram is also used in Freemasonry.

Order of the Eastern Star [Masonic Order for Women]

Pentagram on floor of Masonic temple

Other symbols are used too such as the Horus Eye, sun worship and even directly the square and compass used by the Freemasons as shown in this video.

What does all this add up to? Mormonism has nothing to do with true Christianity and is a church that definitely has ties to Freemasonry shown in the history of it's founder, it's rituals and more.


What Symbols Can Tell You #2: Bees and Beehives

Evangelicals Meeting with Mormons: another false religion

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Glenn Beck's Deceptions and The Black Robe Regiment

First two videos obtained from Fanatic for Jesus.

Glenn Beck is at it again, helping to deceive to call people up for the cause of Dominionism. Absolutely disgusting. They know the "memes", the lingo to get people riled up for a cause with freedom being one of the most abused words in the universe when you know they want nothing but that. If you watch the video from below, what he says here about the civil rights movement, ties into his earlier words.

Remember Robison is the one who told us The Lord wanted Protestants and Catholics to unite?

From Fanatic for Jesus: "Today, Beck recounted the first meeting he organized several years ago where he gathered together some thirty Religious Right leaders to tell them that God was calling them all to stand together in order to save this nation. That meeting eventually gave rise to the Black Robe Regiment and Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally on the National Mall, as Beck began to implore the leaders to come together and take a stand, just as Martin Luther King had done ... non-politically, of course:[1]"

Watch out for the black robe regiment, ever since I found out Chuck Baldwin was involved in a group by this name, I was done with him. The strains of Dominionism alone were enough to depart from him as a columnist to recommend. 

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
September 18, 2007
I am pleased to announce that our initial "Black Regiment" directory is now online. We received more than 800 responses to my initial appeal back in July [Read]. Obviously, we had to sift through all these recommendations and also contact each one individually in order to obtain their consent to be listed. The initial list is now up and can be seen here.

Chuck Baldwin's website and List of Black Robe Regiment members. 

Is the Black Robe Regiment that Glenn Beck praises here, and the organization Chuck Baldwin mentions above, one and the same?

I would like to know.

I found this Black Robe Regiment website, that has David Barton of Wallbuilders on it.

That it is very strange cross, it seems to have Knights of Malta looking cross in the middle of it. The marker of the crossed swords forming an "X" are hidden by the shield but still there.

Just so you know, the Black Robe Regiment above supports the ecumenical Catholic MANHATTAN DECLARATION.

Interesting how they support having their PATRIOTIC PASTORS sign up with Rome. That ALONE makes them compromised!

Read my article: "False Culture Wars and the Manhattan Declaration"

Here is their other website, I got there clicking on the blue colored link where it says in the picture above the Manhattan Declaration one, to "visit the black robe regiment". There are pictures of David Barton there.

According to news items it seems that Glenn Beck with David Barton came up with this group:

What we know about Beck's Black Robe Regiment
August 30, 2010 5:29 pm ET by Fae Jencks
This weekend, Glenn Beck announced the re-creation of a revolutionary force called the Black Robe Regiment. At his Restoring Honor rally on Saturday, Beck claimed that "our churches have fallen asleep" and that the "thousands of clergy" in the Regiment who subscribe to his particular views on the role of religion in American life, will "start the heart of this nation again and put it where it belongs: our heart with God."

On his radio show this morning, Beck delved into a little more detail about how the group was formed and who, exactly, some of these members of the Regiment are.

Apparently, the idea began with Beck's favorite historian, David Barton. When Beck told Barton he wanted to "get religious leaders together," Barton suggested forming a Black Robe Regiment -- named after what Barton had said was a group of preachers who supported the American Revolution from their pulpits. Beck decided that was "exactly" what he was looking for because it was a movement supposedly like his that was "not about politics."

Chuck Baldwin's articles are posted on the Black Robe Regiment website, that David Barton is pictured on. I still do not know if his group is the same group as the David Barton and Glenn Beck sponsored one but they do share the same name.

This article was interesting outlining what a Black Robe Regiment pastor was supposed to be about..

Dr. Chuck Baldwin's 10 Qualifications for a Black Regiment Pastor
Posted by BR Parson /Admin on July 20, 2011 at 12:02pm in Town Hall
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"In order to qualify as a Black Regiment pastor, the following criteria should be met:

"1. He is a Bible believer: he believes the Bible is God's holy and authoritative Word.[no arguments there]

2. He is the head of his own home, having his wife and children in subjection to his authority. No henpecked men here. [partriachy movement strain]

3. He is the spiritual leader and shepherd of his local congregation, not a committee-controlled man. [error of the  Nicolaitans]

4. He is a strong proponent of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights. [How come none of these guys spoke out against NDAA? Well if they did tell me]

5. He understands the necessity and integrity of sovereign national borders. And, to the degree that he understands it, has publicly spoken out against amnesty for illegal aliens and the burgeoning North American Union. [As far as David Barton's group then why sign the one world unity Manhattan declaration?]

6. He understands freedom of speech and believes that a preacher is a spokesman for God (not the State) and has publicly decried so-called "hate crimes" legislation that would prohibit preachers from preaching Biblical truth regarding homosexuality. [culture wars stuff]

7. He has publicly promoted the sanctity of life by preaching and protesting against abortion.

8. He has publicly repudiated the unconstitutional policies of recent presidential administrations in their promotion of the USA Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps and eavesdropping, and the deceptive manner in which they led America into an undeclared, unprovoked, and preemptive war against Iraq.

9. He has publicly resisted "Seeker-Friendly," and "Purpose-Driven," and "Emerging Church" church growth movements.

10. He believes the church has a responsibility to be the salt and light of the world. That is, that we are to win souls to Christ, and resist Satan in whatever form (spiritual, social, political, cultural, etc.) he reveals himself.
Too bad there is no warnings about Rome in there, the right-left deception,. or joining with Babylon or the POLITICS OF DECEIT. Also you will see the false "America as a Christian nation" history promoted.

Many of the lesser-known people signing up with this group may mean well, and I hold agreement with some of the above, against Patriot Act, stands against abortion, but if they are deceived by the religious right and in the case of David Barton's group deceived by Glenn Beck who just paid a visit to the Vatican, then they are just being led just down another false road.

The errors of Dominionism are growing.

The Daughters: Protestant Churches #2: Calendars of Idolatry

I got the above graphic from a website called "Internet Monk" who is an Emergent flavored evangelical from what I can tell.

Why didn't he notice there is a PENTAGRAM at the top? [those shells look like three '6s' too]

Years ago when I was UU, and dabbling in Theosophy and even aspects of Wicca, I noticed a strange "sameness" between the Catholic calendar and the Wiccan calendar and as I have eluded to on my articles warning about Easter and Christmas noticed even years ago about how both these holidays centered on the SOLISTICES, for you see in the Unitarian Universalist churches I attended, they openly celebrated the solstice. They even held what they called "spiral dances" during the spring solstice at one church.

It was strange even years later to see the Pope praising the winter solstice, the same as my UU ministers. Back then, I hadn't really figured out the SUN WORSHIP-Mystery Babylon thing quite yet, but now it fits together.

Pope: Christmas, the solstice, and astronomy
Benedict XVI recalls that the feast of the Nativity of Christ is celebrated in conjunction with the winter solstice, and that it has a "cosmic dimension." A greeting to all of those involved in the worldwide year of astronomy, a science respected and practiced by many popes as well.

Vatican City (AsiaNews) - Benedict XVI today gave a brief lesson on the unity between faith and science, during the reflection offered before the Angelus with the pilgrims in St. Peter's Square. The pontiff began from the observation that "the feast of Christmas is connected to the winter solstice [which begins today, December 21], when the days, in the northern hemisphere, start to get longer again." This highlights the fact that Christ is the son of grace, who, with his light, "transfigures and ignites the expectant universe" (liturgy), and that the mystery of Christmas also has a "cosmic dimension," in addition to its "historical" one.

"In this regard," the pope said, "it may be that not everyone knows that St. Peter's Square is also a meridian: the obelisk, in fact, casts its shadow along a line that runs along the pavement toward the fountain under this window, and in these days the shadow is at its longest of the year. This reminds us of the function of astronomy in marking out the rhythm of prayer. The Angelus, for example, is recited in the morning, at noon, and in the evening, and with the meridian, which was used in ancient times to identify 'true noon', clocks were adjusted."

Where does the Bible say to mark your rhythm of prayer to the "function of astronomy"? It doesn't, in fact it says quite the opposite. I think the Pope meant ASTROLOGY rather then astronomy, well in the context here the terms are interchangeable.

Deut 4:19

And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

ISa 47:13-14

Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from [these things] that shall come upon thee.

 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it.  

By the way sometimes the Pope get blatant in his sun worship:

"Rising Sun, splendor of eternal light, sun of justice: come, illuminate those who lie in darkness and in the shadows of death." On assuming this invocation of today's liturgy, let us pray to the Lord to hasten his glorious coming among us, among all those who are suffering, as only in him can they find the answer to the authentic expectations of the human heart.

[this said too by the way that year on the WINTER SOLSTICE]

The Wiccans even call their calendar a "liturgical calendar":

The liturgical calendar in the Craft is known as the "Wheel of the Year" and is divided into eight spokes, or Sabbats. Four of these, the Lesser Sabbats, are Quarter-based, occuring at the two Equinox and two Solstice points of the year. The other four, occuring at "cross-quarters" (the midpoints between two quarters) are known as the Major, Grand, or Greater Sabbats. Taken together, these sabbats honor and celebrate the changing seasons and our place within them.

We know Easter or Ostara in Wicca, matches the spring solstice, and the date is changed every year not based on any Christian beliefs but based on "astronomy".

Christmas or Yule in Wicca is centered on the winter solstice.

Halloween or Samhain to a Wiccan, became All Soul's Eve and All Soul's Day to the Catholics

I have already done many posts on this blog exposing Christmas, Easter and Halloween, and their false traditions. [see index]

That said, there are other correlations such as Candlemas and Imolc

I would never go to a church that uses a LITURGICAL CALENDAR which is based on the SOLAR YEAR, and which celebrates holidays of pagan origin.

Now I may be going into a strange place, has anyone here heard of astrotheology? 

Astrotheology is study or theory that all religions are based on astrology and the "stars" and knowledge of celestial bodies. They are correct that essentially astrology or star worship is an important part of false religions. Some take it really far to claim humans come from the "stars" themselves, so called star seed theories, while others notice the confluence between world religions and sun worship and worship of other heavenly bodies aka. the Zodiac.

Years ago, I was going to some deep "conspiracy boards" and saw those who followed the teachings of AcharayaS denying Jesus Christ, and others who claimed that because these churches held to solar-astrology based traditions, that they were merely continuing the teachings of other religions and that "jesus" was simply another figure like Buddha.

Dealing with some people who believed this way online, this was hand to hand combat apologetics, I was a new Christian and remember saying to them point blank, SUN WORSHIP IS OUTLAWED IN THE BIBLE, so stop telling me Christianity has anything to do with it.

The video is marked with 5 pointed star and another logo with a pyramid.

She is right about the overlap between the religions of Mystery Babylon in their solar and lunar calendars.

She is right about the overlap about what she calls the 'Christianized" pagan holidays.

However there, she wrongly sees Catholicism as "Christian".

and she is wrong about what true Christianity is.

As I have said repeatedly Mystery Babylon is encompassed by SUN WORSHIP, all the false religions coming together. 

Go back to those Bible verses again, and how God warns the Israelites not to serve the stars, sun and moon, WHAT IS BEING DONE IN THESE FALSE RELIGIONS?

Some may ask where is biblebeliever going here?

Liturgical calendars break God's commandments.

Well why have so many churches mainline and other cling to Rome's false church calendar?

The gist of the matter is like all the false religions of Mystery Babylon, Rome's liturgical calendar is based on sun worship.

Above picture from Christmas is a Lie website.

Remember even the evangelicals and emergents are reclaiming Lent, and Advent as well as other false holidays.

There are many many people out there, who are Christians, who love God and want to follow Him who simply do not know the truth about the church calendars. I know one thing that is difficult is how infused our culture is with these holidays. We are literally surrounded by aspects of them.  Some Christians decide to stick to Happy Resurrection Day for Easter, but then I think everyday should be about celebrating Jesus Christ's Resurrection. Here we want to talk to people in love not condemnation but I realize this is a difficult one. Even a past pastor of mine and other Christians who I personally handed many tracts warning about Christmas too, put  Christmas trees up in their houses last year. What could I say? These are some things definitely God has to convict someone personally about especially in the ways that culture infuses so much of our lives.  Even I have done cards for people, stressing Bible verses and leaving off names of certain holidays or pictures of Santa Claus but then reaching out to others is important too. It has caused me even some self-examination with God, as to where the lines should be drawn. I suppose if you get caught in a picture outside of your home with a Christmas tree behind you, compared to if if you haul one into your house and decorate it knowing what Jeremiah 10 says, it may be a different matter. God holds us responsible I believe for what we know.

I remember my days under the Catholic church calendar. I have to admit it bothered me, even the labeling of days "ORDINARY TIME" as if time was to be suspended and "boring" between high church holidays. For many the patterns of holidays and celebrations is a soothing one, it was not for me.  I do not believe God condemns people coming together to feast or celebrate or enjoy life, but do wish more Christians would question traditions and holidays that are not biblical. It is tough, because seriously this is one where you are definitely left in the minority.

Most of the daughters do follow the Catholic liturgical calendar:






 "You''ll be reminded daily that your life is bigger than just you, that you are part of God''s huge plan that started before time and will continue into eternity. Whether you''re familiar or unfamiliar with following the liturgical year, this book makes it easy to do, offering here the significance and history of each season, ideas for living out God''s Story in your own life, and devotions that follow the church calendar for each day of the year."

I would never attend a church that follows a liturgical calendar.

The Catholics themselves admit what their liturgical calendar is about:

"The reasons for celebrating our major feasts when we do are many and varied. In general, however, it is true that many of them have at least an indirect connection with the pre-Christian [pagan] feasts celebrated about the same time of year feasts centering around the harvest, the rebirth of the sun at the winter solstice (now Dec. 21, but Dec. 25 in the old Julian calendar), the renewal of nature in spring, and so on."
Source: The New Question Box - Catholic Life for the Nineties, copyright 1988 by John J. Dietzen, M.A., S.T.L., ISBN 0-940518-01-5 (paperback), published by Guildhall Publishers, Peoria Illinois, 61651., page 554.

Anyone remember this verse in the Bible?

Galatians 4:9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain. 

Pastor Ed Young Uses a Live Lion For a Prop

One almost sees desperation with this guy, to remain "entertaining", to keep seats filled and the money coming in and that means bringing in "excitement" and well now even a LIVE LION in a cage to illustrate your sermon series. Included is also a baby lamb.

Texas pastor criticized for live lion during service

Dallas-area megachurch pastor Ed Young is facing criticism from animal advocates for presenting a live lion and baby lamb on stage during his Easter Sunday sermon.

Young, at Fellowship Church in Grapevine, is the son of Ed Young, Sr., the longtime senior pastor of Second Baptist Church in Houston. He began an animal-themed sermon series called Wild, which uses biblical references to wildlife to teach about the Christian life.

“We are going to talk about animals, live animals, in church, that will absolutely blow you away. This weekend was an epic one, we talked about the lion and the lamb,” Young said in a promotional clip on the Fellowship website.